Ultra Storm wrote:Sasha's D2D is much more substantial, and you need to compare Urban Blight to other powers. The fund cut is usually small compared to something like mass damage or a Max or Grimm COP wrecking a large part of their army. If you do the math, they need to be sitting on a ton of properties for Urban Blight to match these damage figures.
I was comparing the urban blight fund cuts with other early game monetary advantage examples, a simple one being Sashas +100 per city. You can't compare the early COP Kindle enjoys with other COs mass damage scops (they cost much more stars) or with Max wrecking armies (Max has won if he can do that.) Urban blight might not always do a lot of damage in funds, but it comes early and often and important units are often on urban tiles. And like I said before, Kindle has both her urban attack bonus ánd her cop, that's what makes her good, not just one of the two.
Ultra Storm wrote:Not all of those represent very high gameplay, though. I'd rather look at actual games.
Most of them do not represent very high gameplay. But very specific games between two skilled players that do not make mistakes are rare. And most people don't play perfect games anyway (if that is at all possible) so you might just look at the map stats since they're relevant to most players.
Ultra Storm wrote:Andy only repairs 1 hp of mass damage from about 8 units. Does that really make him much of a counter?
Like I said, Andy repairs the 1hp damage with his cop or preferably scop, but he also has less damaged units (they get repaired during powers) and if he has them then he often does not need to put them on cities for repairs. He can repair them for free. So besides the repairing of mass damage, Andy also has less units on urban terrain, and those things together make him a counter.
Ultra Storm wrote:We talked about Drake already, but Kindle loses hard to Grimm too. After all, Grimm likes opponents who don't have useful COPs.
Besides Drake, Grimm loses hard to Kindle too. After all, Kindle likes opponents who don't have useful COPs.
Grimms COP just gives him more attack power, which he already had enough of. He still can't reach units with it, he doesn't get extra range, movement or mass damage. If Kindle can't hit anything during COP she at least has decent mass damage. Or vice versa. Grimm is screwed if he can't pull of a big attack during (S)COP. In my experience, Grimm is the overrated CO here.
Ultra Storm wrote:If your opponent leaves their tanks poorly shielded next to cities or mechs, Kindle and mechs perform well. Basically, that's the way you get Kindle to work. Otherwise, she isn't just hard to use effectively, she is impossible.
My opponents almost never leave their tanks poorly shielded next to cities or my mechs. That's just nonsense and bad play. Kindle is effective with just regular play, she can annoy the opponent from the beginning. Against Kindle you can't just shoot a unit on a city, because in Kindles turn she'll attack from that city with 140%.
Ultra Storm wrote:Anyone with 120 attack would have 2HKOd the tank, so what's the big deal? That is almost every CO during COP with a tower. Hawke and Max would have done it D2D, even.
The big deal is that Hawke wouldn't have COP ready. Kindles COP is only 3 stars. Hawkes COP is 5 stars (and a waste since his scop is even better.) Also notice that there's no counterattack damage, mass damaging units to 7hp means easy picking and little or no counterattack damage for tank vs tanks on cities. Hawke would have gotten 3hp counterattack damage for the first tank. (5hp counterattack damage if it had been a Kindle tank on that city.)
Ultra Storm wrote:The mechs would have been cannon fodder for vehicles or unable to hit anything relevant.
No, the mechs were behind tanks and covering them and were backup up by artillery. Lone mechs are cannon fodder. Mechs covering tank lines are cost efficient and great for defense. Mechs are less than half the price of tanks, but often do the same amount of damage as tanks. So as long as infantry can't threaten them and they are already where they want to be, they're great.
Ultra Storm wrote:That could be true for you, but I certainly play more efficiently now and I have noticed that some other people do so as well. My past self would probably lose rather hard against me.
I noticed a lot a players are playing much better, and there are more better players as well. However we were talking about an old game of mine and I do not play better now than 4 years ago.
Ultra Storm wrote:Maybe you'd see the Kindle and mech things if you'd updated your play style. And this is probably why the arguing was so pointless, since your reasoning is from the time when people played less efficiently and we hadn't tested these things properly.
Where are these proper tests of yours?
Like I said I did not play less efficiently, and neither did some other people. If Kindle and mechs keep winning me games then I'll keep using them.