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Help stop SOPA and PIPA!

Postby Felix45 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:26 pm

Commence copy pasta!

we have a bit of life time left with our good internet. so lets get more names than ever to sign this petition and help spread the word. dont let the government control you by stripping your internet freedom(facebook, youtube, google, amazon, paypal, downloading) away without you voicing your opinion. Remember: this is a government for the people and by the people. We grant it powers and we can take them away. We are the bosses. SIGN THESE BELOW!

Reddit petition:http://act.boldprogressives.org/survey/survey_sopa_reddit/?source=fbs-victory

Petition to veto: https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/! ... hank-you=p

Senator Rand Paul(Son of Ron Paul) petition against SOPA and PIPA:http://dontcensorthenet.com/kill-sopa

Phone Barbara Lee(make her do something for your tax dollars): http://act.boldprogressives.org/call/ca ... e=e2-r&t=4

pass the link around please! invite others to the event!

FB group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/144364919005747/

SOPA bill for dummies: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pkj ... n_US&pli=1

Totalbiscuits video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhwuXNv8fJM



So yeah, sign a petition, write an email, do whatever!
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[23:09] <Gabo> is it possible to transfer games from one account toanother on steam?
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Re: Help stop SOPA and PIPA!

Postby funwes » Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:01 pm

Seriously, everything I read is blacked out.

VGcats gets the award for Most Creative Blackout. Oatmeal gets a close second and 5sf gets a solid third.
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Re: Help stop SOPA and PIPA!

Postby IndirectDragon » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:13 pm

Oh Wes you're so lame <3

I've signed petitions several times in the last two years, and sent emails to my congress people (using one of the automatic letter thingies.) One of the old dudes sent me back an automated messaging trying to convince me it's a good idea and it's only gonna be used for good. >_>
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Re: Help stop SOPA and PIPA!

Postby Mr--Clean » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:30 pm

Kind of sums up my feelings
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Props to google for also doing it
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Re: Help stop SOPA and PIPA!

Postby headphone » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:13 am

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Re: Help stop SOPA and PIPA!

Postby Walker » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:56 am

Whenever things like this come up, it can be very tricky to figure out what the real facts are. Bills are open to different interpretations, and people can take away what they want to hear from them, which means that relying on second-hand information can be misleading. Everyone has their own interests to look after, which makes it very hard to take people seriously who are either strongly for or against SOPA. I tried reading through the actual text of SOPA, but it's nearly impossible to wade through the legalese and get anything meaningful from it.

I've heard plenty of people criticizing SOPA with a myriad of claims about what it does to free speech, the internet, etc., and from what I've heard it sounds like passing SOPA would be a terrible decision. But I also see documents like this one from the Judiciary Committee out there, and can't decipher how much of what it states is true or false.

Can anyone explain to me where some of the points in the above link are wrong or misleading, or what understanding you have of the implications of SOPA that differ from what that article states? In the end, I doubt SOPA will pass simply because of the massive public backlash it would receive, but I think it's worth understanding just what the bill would do (as opposed to the vastly differing consequences offered by proponents and opponents of the bill). I put the text of the link below too, in case any of you are too lazy to click a link, heaven forbid.

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Re: Help stop SOPA and PIPA!

Postby Felix45 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:13 am

Here is a comment I left elsewhere on Digital Piracy.

I honestly think piracy is the best solution if you want to hurt the entertainment industry. If we can get the majority to agree that making an exact replica of digital media, which costs nothing to anyone other than electricity, bandwidth, and time, is not wrong, then the problem is solved. That is of course assuming that the majority have power. If SOPA and PIPA still go (or if not these bills, some type of similar bill) through it should be obvious the majority DONT hold power in the US, and honestly if that is the case then it is time for a change in government.
Making an exact copy of something for free so that all can enjoy, that sounds like a perfect future. It accomplishes what communism tries to do on paper. It does what libraries do, but much better, with convenience, and on a much larger scale. Why force scarcity on something that is infinite? That is ridiculous. Why force inequality? Wouldn't a perfect world have everything readily available for everyone? If this is possible, why stop it?
Sure the creator(s) of a product should be given due for their work, but what difference is it to the creator(s) if someone who CANT pay for their product get it for free if it is no cost to the creator(s)? This is something I will never come to understand, and it is something I never wish to understand. That is greed at its worst, that is poison, and that is what is wrong with the entertainment industry.
Copyright laws were intended for LIMITED products which could NOT be infinitely copied at no cost to anyone. The way copyright laws work in the digital world should NOT be the same as in the physical, because they are in NO WAY similar.
The way this situation is handled needs to be COMPLETELY rethought. And I am absolutely sure that congress is the LEAST QUALIFIED to do the job properly! Very few of the old farts elected know anything at all about the internet and piracy. This issue should be discussed on a WORLD FORUM, not in a US committee meeting. It deserves more time, thought, and effort than any group of US senators could ever give it.
If there was ever a time for ethics philosophers to show their worth, I think now would be that time. This is an entirely new and unique issue that falls right into the lap of philosophy of ethics. It could use new ideas and perspectives as to how to solve the issue, and clarity as to exactly what is right or wrong in regards to digital piracy.
[23:09] <Gabo> hey guys, i have a question
[23:09] <Gabo> is it possible to transfer games from one account toanother on steam?
[23:09] <felix45> fire away lotion master
[23:10] <felix45> ROFL
[23:10] <Gabo> =_=
[23:10] <felix45> sorry I cant let that go :P
[23:10] <felix45> oh and I dont think so gabo
[23:10] <Gabo> the worst part is that i do like lotions <_<
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Re: Help stop SOPA and PIPA!

Postby nerd-boy » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:51 pm

Walker, here's an explanation that actually goes through what the bill implies using the actual text of the bill.

The Myths/Facts that you linked talk about the intended purpose of the bill, but the bill's vague wording (as you can see in the video), gives some interesting loopholes.
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Re: Help stop SOPA and PIPA!

Postby Walker » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:22 pm

Thanks nerdboy, that's exactly what I wanted. It seems to me that most of these things wouldn't happen in practice, like Youtube being sued or shut down because a user posted a link to an illegal site or a comment infringing on copyright, etc., but there's no reason to even leave that door open to be abused.
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Re: Help stop SOPA and PIPA!

Postby hetchel » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:00 pm

Walker wrote:Can anyone explain to me where some of the points in the above link are wrong or misleading, or what understanding you have of the implications of SOPA that differ from what that article states?


It is clear that Google has a vested interest in opposing this legislation. That’s because they profit from doing business with online criminals who sell counterfeit goods.

Yes, sure, and those Wikipedia people must be crooks too, since they also oppose SOPA.

When one-quarter of Internet traffic is infringing, something is already in need of repair.

Yes, and the music industry is not to blame for not making any effort to bring the cost reductions of modern technology to the masses, so the problem must come from the technology that so mindlessly allows data to flow so freely and instantly around the world. It's ok if lobbies are doing their best to continue making money with few added value -- nothing to repair here. It will even save some jobs!

The bill does not regulate those engaged in lawful activity on the Internet.

Oh, great! Then we can allow a censorship system to be built -- it's ok, the government will ensure that it only targets illegal activity. Just like in China!

Ah, I can't wait until the new law is applied and has eliminated online piracy. Because I am confident that it will be way more effective than similar laws in other countries, and that tech-savvy people will never found any way to work around it.
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Re: Help stop SOPA and PIPA!

Postby nerd-boy » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:24 pm

Walker wrote:but there's no reason to even leave that door open to be abused.


Right.

It's the potential for abuse that people are so up in arms about.
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Re: Help stop SOPA and PIPA!

Postby funwes » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:46 pm

I remember saying something like this back in December...Though, without the research
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Re: Help stop SOPA and PIPA!

Postby IndirectDragon » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:09 am

Stop hating on sopapillas.
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Re: Help stop SOPA and PIPA!

Postby Azzaphox » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:47 pm

did we win?
or was it out to play?
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Re: Help stop SOPA and PIPA!

Postby Autumn Storm » Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:16 pm

All that happened was it was shelved, last I heard.
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